QC Throwing Rules

Games Rules

  • Spinning will be allowed – I have the field size for spinning in the height events but I still have concerns for the safety of the other athletes as well as the audience.  If you are waiting for your turn in the height events, please be aware of your surroundings.
  • Forks – For safety reasons, only commercially manufactured forks will be allowed. No homemade forks or forks with welded braces or welded tines are allowed. The middle tine may be removed.
  • The wearing of Kilt is required for all but first time throwers or w/ permission from AD.
  • Kilt Hose and Flashes are encouraged for those wearing a kilt.  Throwing in a Heavy Athletics Event is a celebration of Scottish/Celtic culture as well as an athletic event; respect the heritage.
    • This improves the standing of the athletic area within the Games committee — I appreciate the help and understanding of the throwers.

CABER are run Differently

Like many, I am not a fan of overall side judging.  One needs an experienced judge to do it right and there still can be inconsistencies.  Several Midwest games have gone to turn or no turn method of running cabers, often with a scoring qualifier.  This can generate many people tied for last place because they could not get the Qualifier caber turned on that particular day. 

Some have claimed that many people tied for last place is a weakness of the turn-no turn scoring system.  In fact, this can be said about the “standard” Qualifier, which was often used.  When a standard qualifier was used, throwers had one chance to turn that caber; if they don’t they are in last place.  I believe the claim that this is not fair comes from the fact that the use of Qualifiers have diminished over time due to availability of cabers.   The fact that many do not get a shot at the competition caber IS NOT NEW AS QUALIFIERS DID THIS in the past.

PLEASE SEE Turn – No Turn Rules

Throwing Rules

QC games will be judged under United Scottish Athletic Directors (USAD) rules.  These rules are similar to NASGA, RMSA, and Carlos Borges authored (SHA & SAAA) rules.  The differences are listed below along with my  explanation of why they are different.

  • In Control – Not all rule sets have the “The competitor will complete the throw under control as decided by the judge or the throw will be ruled a foul” clause. However, USAD rules does.
    • The minimum for under control is that your hands and feet can hit the ground but no other part of your body can; in and out of bounds matter with your hands as well as your feet.
    • Your judge may have a stricter/different definition, don’t be afraid to ask… this rule is nothing new, I just want to clarifying the difference from rule sets that do not have this clause.
    • I have been told this rule was created for Brian Oldfield style of throwing the weight.  I have seen two versions of his throws, one where he winds the weight like a slow pitch softball player and then enters the spin and the other where he winds the weight  around his head followed by a full discus spin.  Both ended with a release that had Oldfield landing on the ground in a push up position.  I am not sure if this is an urban legion.
  • Permission to stop the throw – In many ways, it is impossible for the judge to respond fast enough to grant the thrower permission for the thrower to make a decision to continue or stop.  So why do rule sets treat stopping as a privilege rather than a right?
    • When permission is asked, the judge has a point in time to judge whether a foul has occurred.  This allows the competitor to use means of stopping his motion that may other wise be considered a foul.
    • Asking for permission shows respect to the judge.
  • Measurements — Over the last several years, measurement has been taken from the center of the trig and not from the point on the trig closets to the plant foot.  At least one judge will be using PLANT FOOT (opposite foot of throwing hand) measuring, I WILL GLADLY ENDORSE any judge to use the plant foot method because center of the trig measuring has lead to side-throws, which game the system.
  • Distance Event Ties — Distance events ties will not be broken. This is not controversial until you’re in a tie. The reasons behind this rule are many fold:
    • When ties are broken, the factor determining place is no longer the competitors longest throw.
    • Tradition —  In many games in Scotland, the longest throw for each competitor is marked with flags and only that throw is measured. Thus, no tie breaking.
  • Height Event Ties — Ties for height events will be broken based on the number of misses at the prior height. When a tie involves passes, the pass will not help and/or hurt the competitor. This basically means that when a height, which is involved in tie-breaking process, has a pass, the results for that height is ignored in tie breaking.

  • Lines of a throwing boxes are in bounds –  The throwing boxes are painted so that the outside edge of the painted line is 4′-6″ apart.  Stepping on the line is considered in, but stepping partially over the line is considered out. Two consecutive steps outside of the box is considered a foot foul. Additionally, stepping over the back line is also considered a foot foul. This is not really a rule change but a matter of agreement on how the boxes would be painted on the ground.
  • NO Side Judging  of the Caber  — This is not standard.  To receive a score in the caber, you must turn it.

  • Cabers will be done with a “qualifier”.  Three tries on the first caber.  If the thrower turns the first caber, the thrower is allowed to move on to the “competition” or second caber.  If a thrower turns the first caber, the thrower is not required to but may take all three attempts on the the first caber — It would be wise unless he is confident of his caber turning abilities.
    My Caber inventory

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Evolutionary Process of Running an Athletic Event

Running a heavy athletics competition is an evolutionary process.  The goal is to improve every year.  Please give me feed back on equipment, field layout, amenities, … and any suggestions. At times I have noticed things that need to be changed, at other times I am completely clueless.  I cannot improve things if I do not know they need improving.

When I use alternative implements or allow alternative throws, I do not do this to cheapen the sport or undermine others efforts.  I have reasons, which I feel are well founded.  However, I do listen to throwers and have made changes from their feed back, often for the better.  I do not operate under the principal It is my field; it is my rules

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